• David Moore

    Here, here. Good advice, as usual.

  • bradrourke

    Thanks Dave!

  • Rebecca Townsend

    The last paragraph is particularly important. Sometimes negativity is a good thing.

    There is precedence in history for deployment of disruptive people, from here and abroad, recently and further back. Recently, in the 2000 Presidential vote recount, DeLay’s people were sent to disrupt the recounts with (http://bit.ly/3WCWUE ). Further back, the Squadrismo in Italy, eventually called the Black Shirts, were the pre-fascist voices (and bodies) of disruption. In Italy, “Fascism was in fact succeeding not because of ideology but much more because punitive expeditions intimidated the socialist opposition and attracted rich backers.” (Dennis Mack Smith, _Mussolini: A Biography_ 1982, p. 47). Can’t win on ideas, then you fight.

  • http://www.elvenwork.com/ Leo Dewey

    Wow, Brad! You and I could not disagree more. Your article is so riddled with cynicism about the nature of our Constitutional system of representative democracy, I barely recognize it in your article. Whether you refer to these events as “town hall meetings” or not give them a name at all, I see them as government’s proactive approach to the Redress clause of the First Amendment – providing a forum to citizens to express their viewpoints or grievances to their elected representatives. My own Congressional Representative, Lloyd Doggett, 25th Congressional District of Texas is especially attuned to his district and has been having these meetings every time Congress is out of session, whether there are “hot button” legislative issues at hand or not. He regularly posts voter feedback surveys to his official site and follow up with postal mailings of them. In them he solicits views, never advocates a desired response. We should all have representatives like him. Despite his obvious sincerity, his first meeting in Austin this break was attacked by a hoard of nay-sayers shouting “just say No!” throughout, denying anyone from individually addressing the health care initiative. Those hooligans denied me and many others our Constitutionally protected right of redress and it turned out many of them didn’t even reside in our district in the first place. In my mind, their “shout down” in a public forum was criminal. I wrote Congressman Doggett an official email expressing my views instead. Stop having public forms? No way! This is the United States. We do that.

  • bradrourke

    Leo, I don’t have any cynicism at all about our democracy — I see the callous attempt to use “town halls” to sell policies as cynical. Some office holders have long done a good job of going out and hearing from citizens. They should. Some of them use large town hall-style sessions. Those can work very well when they are authentic.

    That’s not what this general, organized set of “town halls” is. They are part of a marketing job — albeit in the service of something that many support.

    The story you recount, in my view, emphasizes my point, which is that in THIS environment, a town hall, even one convened with sincere motives as Doggett’s surely was, doesn’t work in the way we want it to. Yes it is because people disrupt it on purpose. But is is happening. My suggestion is to use a different meeting format. With proper thought ahead of time, these meetings can be productive and everyone CAN be heard.

    Well, in any event, thanks for reading and commenting!

  • http://www.elvenwork.com/ Leo Dewey

    Thanks for replying, Brad. You know I’m a fan. My response only shows once again that your articles are always thought provoking and that we can occasionally disagree without being disagreeable. I get your point entirely. There have been intellectually dishonest politicians ever since there have been politicians. My counter is an old one which can be summarized with “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water”. Our Representatives on average represent 600,000 people and their views, doing the best they can when they are sincere about their roles to gather opinions from a small representative sampling of them with small staffs. If they abuse the forums for their own agenda, I say throw the bums out. Thanks for your continued dedication to the truth.

  • Stephanie

    Leo and Brad – you both make valuable points. The problem in doing small deliberative meetings is that so much legislation has been rushed through that people’s heads are spinning. The massive debt that we are building would scare any taxpayer that’s paying attention. The “sleeping giant” has indeed awakened. I often told people that citizenship requires more of us than simply voting – and many do not even take that opportunity. The pace that congress is pushing to pass everything, including health care reform is mind-boggling. It does not permit time for thoughtful gathering of deliberative groups.

    I put together a weekly program on this topic when the Clintons were pushing their plan in 1994. It took two months to discuss the various aspects of health care reform once a week. Then it took me weeks to pull the values and ideas expressed from the various groups together into a report. Finally, the report went to local, state and federal officials and media. The intention of this administration and congress is not to permit enough time for anyone to take apart the bill before the House. It isn’t even worth my time to try to replicate what I did 15 years ago as it would take too long from beginning to end.